S10E15 - From Silk Sheets To Strategy: How “More Than A Title” Scales With Integrity And Builds Outside The Box & Beyond <Part-2>!!

What if “word is bond” was the operating system for your love life, leadership and legacy? We dive into a raw, funny and deeply honest conversation about building families with intention, founding companies without shortcuts, and protecting your peace while you do both. From the South Bronx to boardrooms, our guest unpacks why he won’t have another child before marriage, how age gaps shape values, and why he refuses to force relationships with a partner’s kids—yet still shows up as a long‑term “bonus” dad when the bond is real.

We pull back the curtain on the CEO myth. There’s a world of difference between a hired executive inheriting systems and a founder who starts with none and wears every hat. Expect real talk about quitting high six‑figure roles, investing life savings into a mission, and drawing hard lines around contracts, releases and NDAs to protect intellectual property and sanity. Integrity isn’t a slogan here; it’s pricing you honour, scope you deliver and deals you walk away from when terms shift. That’s how you build a brand people trust.

We also get personal about pressure and mental health. Burnout never disappears; it moves. The gym becomes medicine, therapy becomes a goal, and self‑knowledge turns into better matches in life and work. Success gets redefined as time‑rich and health‑first: consolidating five ventures into one, prioritising community, and carving out space to fish, laugh and live. Along the way we celebrate the quiet power of consistency—how showing up, even when no one comments, sets standards others adopt in their homes and companies.

If you’re navigating love in your 30s and 40s, leading as a founder, or debating a risky leap that looks reckless to everyone else, this conversation will give you clarity, courage and a compass. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs to hear it, and leave a review telling us the one standard you refuse to compromise.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Part Two And Family Values
• 1:05 Marriage First, Then Children
• 3:20 Dating Across Generations
• 6:45 Co‑Parenting Boundaries And Bonus Kids
• 10:30 Kids Sense Energy And Safety
• 13:20 CEO Myths: Founder Vs Hired Gun
• 17:20 Quitting High‑Paying Jobs To Build
• 21:10 Contracts, Liability And Protecting Your Work
• 24:10 Success, Mortality And Choosing Peace
• 27:20 Burnout, The Gym And Moving Pressure
• 30:10 Therapy, Trauma And Better Matches
• 33:20 Word Is Bond: Integrity In Business
• 36:10 Community, Support And Real Friendship
• 38:30 Legacy, Lives And Showing Up Consistently
• 40:20 Fitness, Focus And One Core Mission
• 43:00 Where To Find The Work And What’s Next

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Hey shit talkers. Before you continue, just a little reminder. This is part two of our part one conversation. Part one dropped on Wednesday. So if you haven't listened to part one yet, please go listen to that and then come back and continue with part two. And if you're getting caught up because you already listened to part one, then enjoy.

SPEAKER_00: 0:25

Um me and a very good friend of mine, my man Cool, we talk about this all the time. Um I would like to have more children because I do believe that I have so much more experience and knowledge and wisdom to pass on. I would like it. Um one of my one of my main issues is though, um, I don't believe in just creating children just to create children, right? Um I grew up a certain way in in in urban society and it wasn't a very good lifestyle for me. Um obviously um that growing up was a product of the decisions that my parents made, right, to provide this life for me. I don't believe in repeating things in life. So when I had my first child, I was on my own already, veteran, have my own apartment, job, et cetera, et cetera. And and I had set myself up to give myself the best lane of success. Um in this day and age, um, now that I have two children and now I'm a homeowner and I run businesses and things of that nature, I would like to have more children, but another factor that's in that is I'm not married. And uh I've had two children, obviously not being married, um, and I'm not trying to be a baby father for the third time. You understand? Again, not trying to repeat uh certain actions and patterns.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45

What you're saying is you're trying to get married.

SPEAKER_00: 1:47

Yeah, I would love to get married. P. I actually was engaged once in life. Um, yeah, I would love to get married. And and if you want the real story, I and I'll give you an exclusive. Um, my my son, CJ, if I had it my way, he would have never been born without me being married. You understand what I'm saying? So, you know, there were things in place, and you understand, I was engaged before, and I never planned to be a uh a baby father in a sense, right? I've always tried to create and culminate a family setting first before bringing the child into this world. So if I had it my way, you know, like you know how you say if I had it my way, things would be like this. So if I had it my way, um, I would have never had children out of, I guess we call it wedlock. Wedlock? Is that wedlock? Right. So I would have never had children out of wedlock. I would have been married um and brought up my child or children with within a two-family household setting. Um, not to say that it would have been super successful, right? We don't know the outcome, but I would have at least laid that foundation first to at least have them see what a family dynamic could look like uh building forward. So uh with that being said, is uh if if I had it my way, if I'm gonna have another child and I have it my way, um I would find somebody that um matches my energy and supports me, and I can support her, and she can be the yin to my yang, and I can be the yang to her yin, and we'll get married. Um and then at that point, after being married a certain amount of time and us enjoying ourselves first and being married, if she wanted a child, um, because I have two already, right? Now I have to meet a female. I don't know if she has children already, but men do normally date younger than themselves, right? So it is possible for me to date a younger female that doesn't have any children, right? How old are you, if you don't mind us putting it on blast? 46. Well, no, I don't care about that. I'm 46. I live to be 46.

SPEAKER_01: 3:36

That's a So when you for you, when you say younger, which would which age gap would be your your younger age gap?

SPEAKER_00: 3:45

Because you know everybody I mean, I mean, if I date now, it's within the 30s, like 35 and up or something like that. Like now, if I'm 46 or like 35 and up or something like that.

unknown: 3:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 3:57

Okay. She wants to have 20s, so we're good.

SPEAKER_00: 3:59

No, no, I I can't. I can't, honestly. I can't. And and I'm gonna be honest with you, like, because like what are we talking about, right? When I say I can't, it just means mentally I can't, not physically, I can't, right? I can go out and date whoever I want to date, right? But the the generational gap, I think, is too far already between a person in their 20s growing up in this day and age of social media and and not socialism as far as going outside and interacting and playing. So I come from a completely different cloth. I come from the 80s. You understand? I come from there was no video games, you know, at that time. There was no, everybody had a house phone. There was no stuff, there was none of that shit. When you wanted to talk to somebody or play, you had to take your ass outside. So we learned a completely different set of social skills with playing with each other, liking each other, you understand? Reject, we learned all that shit in real time. Nowadays, these young kids, they're so secluded because you can just talk to each other like this over the phone, over FaceTime, and you don't understand that interaction that it molds them differently. So, with me being a person that I am growing up the way that I did in my 40s, again, two children, one of my children is grown already. For me to date a child uh a woman in her 20s, you're only a little bit older than my son. Realistically, right? Let's talk about it. My son will be 24. You're only a little bit older than my son. So, what really do we have in common? You could literally be my daughter. You could be my daughter, right? So other than the physical fun that we might have, um, what realistically, there's not much we have in common. What are we gonna build on? We're at two completely different stages of our lives. That's why I said somebody in their 30s, it gives more room for maybe you already have a career, maybe you already have a child. And if not, hopefully you've had enough relationships already that have matured you to a certain extent, right? Um, so that would be one of the primary um things that would have to happen before I would willingly want to create another life. I would have to be married. And number two, I would have to financially, and me and my wife would have to financially be in a very stable situation, right? Because once again, why would we bring a child into this world knowing that this world is rough and that and and have it struggled? That's not fair to the child.

SPEAKER_01: 6:20

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_00: 6:21

Not fair to the child.

SPEAKER_01: 6:23

That's true. My dad one time told me because I wanted to be a 21-year-old mother. So on my 21st birthday, my dad called me and was like, You better not get pregnant tonight. And the more every year on my birthday would remind me, like, do you see the life I gave you? Um, if you're gonna bring a child, they need to either get the same quality of life I gave you or more. And if you're not there yet, then what's the point? If you're still struggling and I'm taking care of you, why are you bringing somebody else into this world? And I took and I also very much, my dad is very wise, that's why sometimes we bank heads because sometimes I just want to be stupid and petty and if I stay with him, right? But also to come to your question, um I I'm I'm 36 and um I I can't and I haven't dated guys my age because I am stimulated with deep conversations. I I and and and what they say is true, women grow faster than than men. So the men in my age mature, mature. Yeah, sorry, mature. So the men in my age is still literally very and depending on the life they're gonna be in the past.

SPEAKER_00: 7:37

Late 20s, late 20s mentally, they're in their late 20s mentally, if they're your age physically, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 7:43

Exactly. I started going out and stuff way before. So by the time I was 20s, I was over the the clubbing scene, like depending on oh, it's my friend's birthday, I'll go. And sometimes, yes, even in my 30s, some days I'll wake up and be like, I'm in the mood to dance, but you won't see me. You might it might go like six, three, four months before I've even been in the club, unless, you know, compared to in my early 20s where I was in the club almost every other night. So for the men that in my age, they're still living that life, and I'm like, I'm busy trying to build. Like, and that's why I tell people, I uh I'm okay with dating somebody broke as long as that's not where their mindset is. That's not where they want to stay. Like they they're working hard and building and figuring out because I I'm also on that level. Like, I don't have money, so why would I judge you? Let's help each other and build. But if you're broke or you're living paycheck to paycheck and you're comfortable at that lifestyle, then you're not a person for me because I'm never gonna be comfortable with that lifestyle, even though that's the lifestyle I'm living right now. So I end up dating a lot of people in their 40s and mostly late 40s, because even early 40s is still a tricky. So I definitely understand that part. Now, can we talk a little bit on better and yourself?

SPEAKER_00: 9:01

So one of the reasons why we even before you go to that, wait, wait, before you go to that, let me just give you another exclusive that you don't know, really quickly. So I only have two, two, two um biological sons, but I have four daughters that I've raised almost from pampered stages. And all four of them right now are grown. Uh three, uh, three of them are one just graduated college, two are in college right now, and one was in college in the military, also. So even though they're not mine biologically, I've raised them through previous relationships. I have four daughters as well. So technically, I got six kids already. Still out there, I'm like Nick Cannon out here, but but not really because I didn't create them. But I'm just saying, I I raised six kids already. So again, right, you know what I mean? Like, you know, yes, yeah. So I'm a dad, I'm a dad, I'm a daddy's girl too. So I'm I'm a daddy's girl too, because you know, because I got four daughters, right?

SPEAKER_01: 9:53

But I love that. And I didn't know that, but it also does still like I have this way of when I see men who are fathers and the way they they treat their kids, that's a turn on to me because my dad was a single father. My mom didn't raise me. Most people don't know that, but some people do guess because I don't talk about my mom like that, even though she has been on my podcast. But my mom didn't raise me. I can go two, three months without talking to my mom. But if if I'm quiet for one week, my dad is sending the police. Like, are you alive? Are you okay? What's going on? So I get attracted to guys who, if they have fathers, I I started by saying I never date men who have kids. But then when your age keeps going, then you know, um, but then it's it it became from okay, you can't this can't discount men who have kids because some of them were traps, some of them knew what they were doing, and it just being wow. Everybody has a different story. Um, but it's how you take care of your kids and how you take talk about your baby mamas. If you're constantly bitching about your baby mamas, I'm not dealing with you. I don't care what they've done. That's okay. But if you're constantly bitching it to me but never mentioning your part, that's why the red flag for me. But seeing how you take care even when when your baby mama is being pissed or whatever, you don't throw that on the child and you still do your job and figure, like that is an attraction. That's why I try to refuse the Lord to date people with baby mamas because I don't wanna deal in that baby mama drama. Like one of the biggest things I love and crave in my entire life is peace. Even if it means I'm gonna die alone and be alone, I don't care as long as I'm peaceful. Like I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_00: 11:41

Peace of mind. That's the that's the new thing.

SPEAKER_01: 11:43

So so that's a good attraction, and I love that you did that because because my dad exactly, and my dad as well. He he raised me and my brother, and I have a half-brother. But technically, my dad has been a father to a lot of not only my friends, but even the women he used to date, uh either their younger sisters who they used to take care of, because that's the type of man you are. And one, I feel like when you date somebody when you choose to date somebody who has a kid, it kind of is part of your responsibility, especially if they told you they have kids. And depending on how your relationship goes, if it's just um bang bang pal, then fuck them kids, no offense. But if your relationship is growing and you're building something, it's lucky part, like you don't have to stand in as a father, but you are an additional parent to that child.

SPEAKER_00: 12:32

Let me just give you my you're right. Let me just give you my input on that. And my input is very simple. I tell any woman that I date or have dated that have children, I said, I'm not dating your children, I'm dating you. Not dating your children, I'm dating you. I will not try to foster a fake relationship or or or force the relationship with your child to get closer to you. And vice versa. Me and you can be very, very close, but if me and your child don't get along or our relationship does not develop organically, then I'm telling you, I'm not I'm not fostering that. Do you understand? So that's how um I only have four daughters, because obviously I'm 46, I've dated, right? I'm not gonna be out here like I don't date, I've dated, right? But I only have four daughters because, and these are from long-term relationships. Um that's because if me and the child bond to a certain level, regardless of how far or how committed, or you know, what level me and the mom took the relationship to, if the relationship ends for whatever reason, I will go to the mom. I went to the mom and said, listen, I would still love to be a part of your child's life if you would let me do that. You understand? And I think that um them allowing me to do that just shows the respect that they have for me and the comfortability with a grown man being not only around their little girls, but being influential and pouring into them and understanding that I'm gonna teach them a lot and I'm gonna be molding their their young child. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 14:07

And that's true, and that's why I say depending on the level of where your relationship, no, nobody should expect that if you're just if you're just my fuck buddy, like you don't need to meet my kids, you don't need to be around them, you don't need to be, but if we are growing or trying to build something, then I'd at least hope that you don't have to be a father or pretend to be a father or anything because they got that or they're used to that, but just somebody who's part of my life who is trying to get to know them. And same with you, I'd have a bonus mom. My mom dated this guy for one month, uh, this lady for one month a long time ago, and it didn't work out. They realized they were better off as friends than dating, and they're still friends. And uh her until today, I'm a bonus daughter, she treats me like a child, uh, her child, she lives in that Dallas, Georgia. But before that, when I was in Malaysia, she came to Malaysia, she find me. If she knows I'm on for holidays, she reach out, take me out. Like she so, and again, they were together for just one month, it didn't work out, but they continue, ended up building this friendship. Yeah, and and me and my dad do not have secrets. So he literally told me, and she takes care of me like that. I have another lady, and my dad had this thing where if Paula doesn't like you, I won't be able to continue that relationship. Okay, I can respect that because I was my dad's everything, and I went to meeting.

SPEAKER_00: 15:32

No, no, no, no, no, no. You have to rephrase that.

SPEAKER_01: 15:35

I am my dad's everything. There you go, exactly, and um and I would always meet them with an open mind, but then I hated the ladies who tried you can literally tell they're trying to just impress you, and and I used to tell them, like, I already have a mother. I just tell you that you love you like my dad and you're enjoying him, and you're not here for his money because back in then the money was flowing. My mom don't pretend to be, just come and get to know me, not as uh like just uh not as your the person you're dating, but just get to know me. Only one woman who was able to succeed, and right now she's married to my dad, and sometimes I cry to her more than I cried to my dad. Like she literally just came in, like, I don't care if you don't like me or not, ma I'm here.

SPEAKER_00: 16:27

That's it. Okay, I respect that.

SPEAKER_01: 16:29

Exactly. And another one, I didn't end up liking the the lady, but she came with her cousin, and we ended up adopting the cousin. We were like, I want to keep her, and she became my aunt, like literally, like see, that's what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_00: 16:45

That that's because you meet somebody and your spirits align, and the energy aligns, and the bond aligns. And when, especially when you're a a child to an adult, children have an uncanny sense of sensing evil very quickly. They're like a an evil detector. You know what I'm saying? Like, like if they like, you know, they can sense that shit, right? So if a child really takes to you, especially not even knowing you, right? But really takes to you, I think that's a very good uh testament to what your spirit. And I'm not talking like, like you said, not trying hard then prayer. I'm talking about just naturally meeting the child, and within a couple minutes, the child is on you. Like not letting it's it's your spirit, it's the it's the clean energy that the child is attracted to, saying like this is a safe space.

SPEAKER_01: 17:34

Kids know, and that's why you you need to put attention on your kids, how they react to your people, and especially when they're cancer, because I'm a cancer, we are very intuitive and we we smell people. That's why until today, I walk away from specific people and I hang around specific people because I know and I can tell.

SPEAKER_00: 17:52

But but let's get back to you so you smell people.

SPEAKER_02: 17:55

What that smell like what I smell like you thought you was getting away, you wasn't getting you're having too much fun today, aren't you?

SPEAKER_00: 18:12

I love this shit. Paula, I ain't come on this show to be boring. This is talk shit with P. We gonna talk our shit.

SPEAKER_01: 18:17

You heard we are, but that can also be very dangerously if we talk all our shit.

SPEAKER_00: 18:24

We live on fucking danger. No, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01: 18:34

All right. So if you could we're gonna come on better than yourself, please. This is leading to that. If you could make one major myth about being a CEO, right? Because again, more than the title, uh I think outside the box, something most people assume but rarely talked about. What is it based on what you hear from your podcast and what you as a as a CEO been through?

SPEAKER_00: 19:05

Oh, that's easy. See, that's an easy one. Uh see, people people think that a CEO's only job or primary job, no, let me not say primary, because it isn't it is primary, but people think that a CEO's job is just to run the company. The company follows your vision for progression. That is the primary goal, but a lot of people think that the CEO doesn't do anything past that, and you're wrong. That is a common misconception because I'm telling you, um, especially for now, there's two different types of CEOs, ladies and gentlemen. So let me just educate you guys so that you understand the difference. There's a CEO who's also the founder or co founder of a company that helped build this company and develop this company from scratch, as we call in business, the baby, right? You have a baby and you're and you're developing this baby the same way that. You would pour and develop and develop a human being, you have to develop your company. That's one type of CEO. You have another CEO who went to school and learned business and things of that nature and went to Ivy League schools, etc., etc., got their MBA, whatever, and they're hired because of what they feel like their thought processes and their educational level to run a company. To run a company which is already built but might be experiencing any type of difficulty that they're now looking for new leadership and new direction to help the company continue to scale. This the same type of CEO can be hired from one company and take that company to a level positively or fail and then transfer to another company, but he still remains the same CEO that never developed the company from scratch. So there's a big difference. When you're the CEO that gets hired to do a job for a company that's already built, running the infrastructure is there, then primarily you can sit back and say, yes, my job is only pretty much to do this because you have the team and the systems in place to do so. But when you're a CEO that that yeah, you're the CEO, but you had to have to build the company from scratch, then you're in a different situation. The reason I pause for that is because I'm a CEO of this company, but I have a partner, Jared. You see? I have somebody to help me, but I also have four other companies, three of which I've had for the last uh 10 to 12 years. Okay, which it is the difference is those companies, uh those are um solo owned companies, right? I'm a sole proprietor, owner, operator. So there is nobody helping me. This company, and when you when you have a partnership, it's a partnership corporation. So it's completely different. You have a partner and the type of the company, the way it's developed and formed is completely different. So, but both of them share similarities because if you're by yourself, you have nobody to help you. So, yes, I'm the CEO, but guess what? I'm the accountant, I'm the CFO, I'm the, I'm the I'm the executive, I'm the editor, I'm the trash guy, I'm I'm I'm the cleanup guy. I'm everything that I can be to until I can get this company generating enough revenue so that I can start hiring people, taking off hats, and delegating. But and that's no different than me being with Jarrett. Me being with Jarrett, the only difference is instead of wearing 20 hats, I'm wearing 10 because now he's wearing the other 10. So he helps to share within the burden. And even though he's not a CEO, because obviously there's one CEO and things of that nature, he's still a founder. So he doesn't let his title of being a founder and owner of the company stop him from doing whatever needs to be done to help scale this company. So that's the difference.

SPEAKER_03: 22:54

I love that.

SPEAKER_00: 22:56

And that's the that's the biggest misconception. People want to be a CEO because they think you're just a boss. Um I'm the boss. I just tell everybody what to do, and I sit back and I drive nice ass cars and I live good. That's not it. That that's that's movie shit. A lot of, I'm just telling you what it is, Paula. A lot of people don't understand that a lot of people are. Than other than than almost the entire team. The CEO probably, especially as a founder CEO, there's no harder worker than the founder CEO.

SPEAKER_01: 23:24

And that's it, there's a difference between a leader and and a boss, right? Uh and all that. You can tell the difference on all that. So as much as we talk so much about betting on yourself, and sometimes we forget on that, especially when we're asking for money, right? Would rather the I've seen some people, especially during COVID, where there were all these extra checks spreading around, and people were constantly talking about their projects, but instead were spending the money shopping instead of actually inputting that. And and and yet they're quick to say let on yourself or get mad at somebody not seeing their vision, but that's not working if you are also not doing what needs to be done. So, how did you guys come with embracing let on yourself? Because it takes embracing it, right?

SPEAKER_00: 24:21

I mean, just to be honest with you, Paula, it was real simple. My cousin was tired. He was a VP for a couple companies and he kept experiencing the same shit. I'm doing well, I'm doing well. It's a it's a power struggle. I end up moving on, I'm moving from company to company, there's no stability, I'm doing all of this and making all this money for other people when I could be using the same tools to make it for myself. I'm a hot I'm a I'm a senior level manager in my in my field. I'm in there, I'm arguing with people every single day about the most common. You ever had an argument? You ever had an argument, Paula, with a person that knows they're wrong? That knows they're wrong, but they but they want to sit there and argue with you about shit just just for the sake of argument.

SPEAKER_01: 25:09

And it's like you when I called you and I told you, uh there was a missed call on my FaceTime and you still kept arguing like it wasn't say one.

SPEAKER_00: 25:18

That's all I said. Say one, you know what I'm saying? Ladies and gentlemen, I already said it. I plead the fifth.

SPEAKER_01: 25:30

Those are the times where you really want to punish people when you're scared about going to jail.

SPEAKER_03: 25:43

Let's go. Let's go. Ready, ready.

SPEAKER_01: 25:47

I can see. Um you understand what I'm saying? I I do understand, and I and I get it. That's that's why sometimes I'm like, I rather stay home than be outside because I feel like I I'm gonna punch people on the store.

SPEAKER_00: 26:00

Oh, so we're talking about the bet on yourself. So again, I'm tired, Paula. Like, I have licenses in the field that I was in, when we do something, my license is attached to it, which means I am responsible. I am a leader, I am responsible for people. If something was to happen on that job to any one of them people, and when they investigate, they're coming right to me because my license is on it. If they can show what's what's called willful negligence, like obviously I have to have a certain level of education, I have to have a certain level of certifications to get to this level of management. So I can't act like I'm just fucking stupid, right? How can I be so stupid? It takes education and experience and so-and-so to get to this level. So if they can show what's called willful ignorance, that I didn't do my fucking job because I was just lazy or whatever the fuck the reason is, and somebody got hurt, I'm going to jail. Do you understand? That's almost like, and I'll give you the best example of the world. Let's say I own Toyota, you drove a Toyota and you were driving crazy. I mean crazy. It's your fault, whatever, whatever, whatever. You hit somebody and you hurt them really badly, right? Now, now, if they can find that the car that you were driving was supposed to have certain safety features in there that didn't work or didn't turn on because I didn't da-da-da, and that helped to hurt that person, I can get charged for that. The same exact shit you're gonna get charged for. And I wasn't even in the country when you did that, I can get charged for it. That's what I'm talking about. So when you when you keep you said peace of mind earlier, you said it. That's the key. After 20 years of dealing with this, and I'm saying, I'm not going to jail for money. You understand? What is more important? If I keep living and breathing in this industry that keeps repeating the same actions where you're not concerned about certain things, but I know if I don't make a stand, I could possibly go to jail or be held liable for some shit that I didn't even do. Now, if I get caught, I'm the fucking dummy because I knew better. I had the information and I did nothing about it. So I chose to leave. I had to bet on myself and I had to bet on my cousin and his belief and his work ethic and my work ethic and in the product of this podcasting thing, knowing that if we came together and really gave this shit 100%, we'd be unfucking stoppable. So I yeah, I jumped off the bridge. I bet it all. Fuck it. Because what where was I living anyway? A life of fear, a life of regret, a life of getting up every day cursing my fucking job. If one of these motherfuckers do something, I'ma smack the that you understand, like it's it's not a win. It's not a win. You go to school, you go to work aggravated, you go to fucking your body hurts, your energy, it's not good. Because then you transfer that negative energy to everybody around you. So everybody's going through what you're going through. So I had to make a decision. Was it worth it? And the answer was no, not anymore. Wasn't worth it. Maybe in my 20s, right? Maybe in my 30s, but I'm in my 40s. Fuck that job.

SPEAKER_01: 29:07

And that's true, uh, especially on your um example of Toyota, because some people have questioned me, some have laughed at me, but I make everybody speaking yours is on the way because it was last minute. But I make everybody sign a release, uh release form when they come on my show. And people like, oh, I know you don't make everybody because your dad and your mom have been and your bonus mom have been on your show. I'm like, I they signed. They signed, and my dad, I feel like my dad has always been proud of whatever I do, despite how annoying it can be to him. But shout out to my daddy, uh, he's a proud ass for having a a daughter like me. But um I feel like him being a lawyer and the fact that he didn't tell me to do it or whatever, but I I did it and I and and I gave him a release form before he came on my show. I think that was such a proud moment for him because like my daughter is protecting herself and doing what it is. And even right now with Rakshi Whip, most of my clients have been my friends who are supporting with different projects. And I officially signed my biggest client, she's starting in December for Rakshi WP, like our biggest, and I'm excited. But even these who are my friends and was Leroy Project, they got NDAs, like and like a proper onboarding, like client, whatever, NDAs, whatever. They're like, Paula, you're saying so. I'm like, yeah, we're not playing over here. If if I'm building a business, I'm gonna run it as a business and take every precautions I need to to not only protect me, um, even we we wrap we talk shit with in my podcast because people are like, well, you're just doing it for fun. I'm like, yeah, right now, but we don't know where it's leading. Like when I started it, yes, in 2020 it was for fun. It was COVID, it was a COVID lady, everybody was doing shit. I started it, but I didn't know what it was, and it has led to many things, and it's gonna keep on leading. So, of course, y'all gonna sign that shit and I'm gonna protect. In case somebody today decides and says, Hey, I wanna buy talk she with tea, or hey, this at least all those skills are intact. Like, even if I sell it, even if I decide to sell some, like you all sign these releases and all this shit is mine.

SPEAKER_00: 31:25

So always protect yourself and then you should have sent it to me before the show because I ain't signing after this motherfucker show. You fucked up, B, you fucked up. You should have said you should have sent it to me before the show.

SPEAKER_01: 31:36

Uh plausible deniability, sure, because the episode won't go out without you signing it. So if you don't if you want it to go out, you're gonna sign it. Otherwise we just hanged out for almost otherwise we just hang out for one and a half hours. There's many ways you can you can decide to sign this, you know. You can also come in by you you can come in in your in your taxi, in your scout, in your unit, so what does access look like for you in five years? And and when I talk about success, I'm not talking about money or your titles, like again, we are more than titles, but in terms of legacy and impact, because I know you guys are all about legacy and living and impact. Everything you do, you are very intentional on that.

SPEAKER_00: 32:40

So yeah, I'm gonna be selfish. I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh in five years, I wanna be selfish as shit. Both my kids are gonna be grown. I wanna be like, fuck them kids. Yo, B, honestly, I'm I'm being honest with you. Because I've been through so much, um I wanna, I wanna, I want in five years, I truly want to be at a financial level where I can stop. Where where I can just stop. I don't need to be worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I just need to be at a place where I can live comfortably and my kids are taken care of, and I'm okay with that. But I actually want to just stop because um I want to enjoy my life. I've been seeing too many of my friends and I've lost too many family members at earlier ages than we would have thought they would go, right? Which is um bringing me closer and closer with the reality of mortality that one day this will end. One day this will end. Um so in five years I'll be 51, God willing, you know, whoever upstairs willing. Uh that'll be more than a half a century old. And I think of all the work that I've put in for 50 fucking years, you can give me the last couple of motherfuckers to kick back. I just want to go fishing, be honest. I love to fish. I love the fish. I ain't gonna lie. I want to go fishing. I actually want to um Can you check my fishing? I've never been fishing. There it is. There we got a fishing day. Say less because Jared loves fishing. Uh, our family, all we do is fish. You got it, done. Say say less.

SPEAKER_01: 34:28

Do I need to come to New York for that?

SPEAKER_00: 34:30

We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Don't worry, we'll figure it out. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 34:34

Atlanta got fish. Since you're taking requests, can we also on your 50th birthday? Can you can can I be can I finally be able to say that I was in a yacht twerking? So can you make that happen?

SPEAKER_00: 34:50

In a what twerking?

SPEAKER_01: 34:53

Yacht, a big ass yatch in south of France. Oh, a yacht a yacht. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, okay, yeah. Oh, you can make that haven't seen the fifth on your on your 50th birthday. I want I want to make it on your 50th birthday. Let me be.

SPEAKER_00: 35:07

I gotta be in the south of France too. Yeah, it's your 50th birthday. Oh, yeah, but I've been in the south of France already. So technically, I want to go. I want to go somewhere he's never been. See, I didn't I didn't I lead off saying selfish, selfish, you mean everywhere, and and and by the time and by the time you get 50, you're gonna be everywhere.

SPEAKER_01: 35:27

I'm talking, it doesn't have to be your 50th birthday on the night. I'm just saying on your 50th year.

SPEAKER_00: 35:34

Oh, that year? Oh, yeah, okay. We yes, we could do that. No problem.

SPEAKER_01: 35:38

Let me talk in Ayash my 50. My abs will be still intact. I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_00: 35:43

And uh, we'll get that on film too, and I'll have that on film too, ladies and gentlemen. We it'll probably be talk. Uh, this is talk shit with P rap shit with P season 17 or whatever by the time I turn 50, and we're gonna have that as a premiere package that you can purchase the video of P twerken on the yacht in the south of Prince.

SPEAKER_01: 36:01

We won't put it on OnlyFans and get very rich.

SPEAKER_00: 36:05

We're gonna put it on OnlyFans, it's gonna be more twerking.

SPEAKER_01: 36:10

So uh as a person who deals with mental health, and I'm always uh advocate for mental health. How do you handle burnout or pressure? Um, like what's your go-to strategy when you uh when you feel like you've given too much, especially when you have the part of the business and then you have the part of the creative, and then you have the part as a father, uh family member, and all that. So how do you handle the pressures and what's your go-to for banouts?

SPEAKER_00: 36:43

Honestly, I don't I don't think anybody ever masters handling that type of pressure. Um, and the reason I say that really quickly is just because let's say pressure's a hundred percent but there's five different categories of the pressure, they're not always equal. 20, 20, 20, 20. One might be 40, one might be 60. You understand? One might be 30, 30. So the pressure just moves. It always just shifts into something else. So let's just say the pressure this week is the company, but next week it's my younger son, but next week it's my older son. The pressure is always there, it's just shifting on what is giving you that pressure. Um honestly, I like I said, I don't the best way I deal with it is I go to the gym. Like the gym is my safe haven. The gym is my what do you call that? Psychiatrist. You understand? Like I my therapist, I I, you know, give give well both then, because psychiatrists give you medicine. So I feel like the gym gives me medicine, you know what I mean? Um, it's my medicine. But yeah, my therapist, I just go there and I take it out on the weights, to be honest with you. Um and um depending on how I'm feeling will depend on how long I'm in the gym. So there's sometimes I'm in the gym for about an hour and a half, and there's sometimes I'm in the gym for three and a half hours. Like, but um that's my that's my safe space. Yeah, but but as far as the pressure, I don't think you ever truly deal with it uh and get rid of it. I just think it it moves and your focus is just on something else in the moment until you say I'm done and you actually walk away.

SPEAKER_01: 38:28

Um out of curiosity, do you go to therapy or have you ever gone to therapy?

SPEAKER_00: 38:33

Um, I went to therapy as a child. Um because yeah, because once again I I lived a uh urban city child kind of lifestyle. So went through South South of Bronx, right? South Bronx. Yeah, yeah, South Bronx, the big Bronx, not the big Bronx, not the little. Um yeah, so I went through therapy primarily as a child. Um have I gone through therapy as an adult? Not so much, but I would I'm actually working on looking for a therapist. I actually was talking to some people about it. Um there's I actually signed up for this. Um I don't want to get it wrong, but I want to shout out shout out my guy, brother John Graham. Um he's coming out with a dating app. But the dope thing about the dating app is you can't just join the app to find like swipe left, swipe right. Like this thing is like it builds your profile, it goes it takes you through therapy, you have to do certain sessions to unlock other. You can't just jump right in. This is a this is like a long term dating app thing to find your person, but it takes you through the steps of understanding who you are, what your trauma is, et cetera, et cetera. And even if your preference is A, B, and C, you have a personal like AI bot that will line you up with what you you might want something but need something, and it might give you D E F because it's like, yeah, you want A, B, C. But that's not what you're aligned with. So this, I can't remember exactly what it's called, but Brother John Graham, um, you know, we appreciate you for doing that. So he that when that comes out, it has a therapist and you know, all that stuff, like a marriage counselor and all that dope stuff. And I'm kind of interested in doing that. But um, outside of that, I would love to talk to a therapist. I think that I have a lot of unhealed trauma um from growing up. I have a lot of unhealed trauma from all of the things that I've um been through in my life that I didn't get a chance to properly process, right? And go through my progressions with, and I just kind of stored it and stored it and stored it. And I think that's unhealthy. And um eventually there needs to be a limit to this storage because, like anything, if you keep putting too much in, eventually it will become full and uh start to overload or you know, things of that nature. So yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 40:51

I love that, and I'm pro therapy because even one time when I started therapy, my friends were like, What do you mean? You mean you can't talk to us, but most of the times we forget our friends are always supporting us, or sometimes they'll just agree on shit that technically isn't or shouldn't. So therapy helps that master ideas, but it also, and I'm glad you're taking your time with it because it only works if you're willing to put in the work. And most people, the reason therapy doesn't work for them or they don't want to go to therapy is because you gotta face some truths where sometimes you are the person who created the mess. You're not, you know, the villain and everything. So you have to to dig deep and realize that and move past that. And it's hard work, but it's also necessary if you're looking for a peaceful life. Because I feel like there's so much you can bottom down, but eventually they they're wrapped, and sometimes they're wrapped at the wrong time, wrong place with the wrong people, just because you're constantly pushing your emotions or your truth or everything under. So I'm happy for that for you. But uh, we talked about growing up. Uh you talked about South Bronx, the big bronze, and grow so growing up there, what lessons would you say from there shape the way you do businesses right now?

SPEAKER_00: 42:23

Oh what lessons shape the way I build business right now? Oh that I didn't expect that kind of question. Okay, let me uh I gotta think about that one. The way I build businesses right now. Okay, you know what? I I I actually have uh a really easy one for that. Because I grew up in the 80s, one of the principal factors that helped shape my life and anything that I do was the term word is bond. Word is bond. And um what word is bond means is when you give your word, that's your bond. You say what you mean and you mean what you say and you do what you say you're gonna do and you stand on business. So um when I opened up these companies, that's that's how I treated people. When I gave them my word, if I gave you my word on a price, then that was the price. That was it. If I gave you my word that I would do certain things uh in addition to what I'm charging you, then that's what I did. If I gave you my word that I'm gonna do clean business with you, then that's what I did. And I'll give you an exclusive that we probably never told before. Um, but I'm gonna give you another exclusive because I like to give you exclusives, P. I want to give you all a source. The source is yours. Um we went to Cairns, France this year, which is our first year being there, but we actually had a contract to go the year prior. The reason that we didn't go the year prior is because right before the trip, the terms and the conditions changed of what we were supposed to do as far as you know being paid to go out there and do the show. But they they they turned in our favor, not their favor. Now, I could have signed the contract, gotten the money to go, and then jammed them for not doing work and charging them extra money, but that would be dirty business. You see? And I and and we we promised that we would never do that type of business. We're gonna keep it above board. We're gonna we're gonna be a morally sound company, and we're gonna we're gonna treat business with the very simple term, don't do unto others as you don't want others to do unto you. So that's just a perfect example of that, right? Um, learning word is bond and being a man of your word and being true to your word and true to yourself, then that's how I I build these businesses, right? I give you my word, I'm gonna do something or I'm gonna handle business a certain way, and that's it. No backstabbing, no, you understand? Because there's a lot of cutthroat business out here, right? And there's a lot of people doing deals that end up saying they got jerked on a deal or excess. Yeah, we're not doing that. And if it takes us longer to succeed, we're okay with that.

SPEAKER_01: 45:06

Integrity. I love that because I tell people your brand at the end of the day, you think, oh, I'm gonna just do this for one time and then recover. But rebuilding your brand is different. Integrity matters and counts, even if you don't see it, but people are watching, people are uh are are paying attention and people are seeing how you move. Like even today, the way you talked about me, I didn't even know you paid that much attention, no offense, but you know, most of the time because but it was something to also remind me that I might just be moving in the way I'm moving because of my integrity. But people out here are watching, and it's gonna pay off. And I think most of us sometimes um want quick money, and that's why we are so quick to move and after we are. But when you're patient and you know what your building deserves what it deserves, and you're uh it it comes, and it comes way more better than you would have sold yourself for. So kudos for you guys, and I'm and I'm glad you uh you did it with integrity and and look, like from the pictures and the videos I saw from you guys, I feel like you all um did amazing, you enjoyed yourself, you are around incredible um connections, relationships, and those are just building, right? And they're creating more generations. So, as we come to an end of this, I don't want to say I've had an incredible time hanging out with you. I feel like apart from being on their show, this is uh first time I've had like a whole almost two hours, just me and Chabelle.

SPEAKER_00: 46:49

It is, it is Jared.

SPEAKER_01: 46:51

I'm sorry, baby, but you can you didn't you you you didn't ring my line and you know you cut out and you know my line, and and one thing I love about us is that, and this is why I tell people as much as I'm real on social media, and as much as I show out and support, I feel like if you have my number and you're only real with me on social media, then you know what my energy. But you guys, you you do see things, even me. Sometimes I do see things, so I see you're quiet, and then I will reach out because I have your number, right? I'ma check in, I'ma call. We don't have to be chatting and texting every motherfucking day, but at least when it comes to, oh man, they kind of disappeared. Something must be wrong. Oh, they posted something and it's sad. I don't want you to leave a comment, I'm sorry about your cousins. Then call me up, message me because you have my number. That's the whole point. Everything shouldn't be about social media, so I always appreciate you guys, including Jared himself, like just always checking, calling. I know we have a group text which we have abandoned for a long time, but that also shows that we can't we can't keep it together in a group text, but at least we try to to to keep each other together. So you talk openly about living life on your own terms. So what's one risk you still think is worth taking that most CEOs would consider reckless?

SPEAKER_00: 48:29

Ugh.

SPEAKER_01: 48:30

Because you do think outside the box, right?

SPEAKER_00: 48:33

Huh? Yeah, no, we do, but uh, you know, when we talk about a when we say the word reckless, you know, reckless means like this in a good way. Oh, well, well, you just said reckless, because reckless can be good and bad, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01: 48:47

No, like like to most people it might seem reckless, like you know, a person is in a midlife crisis, right? If they go by a Ferrari, they're like you're reckless, right?

SPEAKER_00: 48:57

Okay, okay, good. But so I'm glad you so I'm glad you said that. But so that this answer is the same answer that I gave you earlier. My cousin quit a high-paying VP job, multiple high-paying VP jobs to create his own. We're talking somebody who makes six high six figures, high six figures, right? I quit a high-level uh managerial construction job making high six figures, right? And we started this company, right? And didn't go back to work. That is completely reckless. You're giving out your paycheck. You understand? Considering multiple things. Jared has two sons. I have two sons. Jared has a uh a dwelling, a house to support. I have a house to support. We have responsibilities. We're not 12, we're not teenagers or young children that just run around with no responsibilities. We have real life responsibilities and and things that we have to take care of. People that are counting on counting on us, right? So being a founder almost most times, most founders, we we invest our life savings. Me and Jared have invested our life savings and everything that we make into this company. There is no safety net, there is no retirement, there's nothing. We put all of our eggs in this one basket. That is completely reckless for men of our age and intelligence and experience. It's reckless because it's like you have no safety net. But if you want to get to something and become something that you've never been or seen become, then you have to be willing to do things that you've never done before and that most people will never do. That's why it's called the 1%. Not because they just like to name shit shit just to name it that because, but because most people, 99% of the world would never take that risk. And that's why because you would never take that risk, you will never reap that type of a reward.

SPEAKER_01: 51:25

And and it's a clear example of why it's on better on yourself. Alright, um any nice things you want to say about me before we end this? Feel free. Okay, listen up, y'all. I'm about to give you all a great ass tip, okay? Y'all know I barely read my DMs and God don't get me started on tracking my links. But now I'm lucky organized. And you wanna know why? You wanna know what the secret is? Stamp it social. So stamp it social, it's like um if Instagram, Linktree, and your favorite social media intern had a baby, but with boundaries and vibes, lots of vibes, you get a full dashboard that tracks what people are actually clicking on. Now, wouldn't you like to know that? Like I do and I enjoy it, I've been obsessed with it. Like, for once, I know which post made y'all run to my link and which ones flopped harder than my ex's mixtape. Sorry. Plus, here's a kicker. Get this right? There's a seven-day free trial because we don't do commitments without a test drive, y'all. And if you're feeling spicy, or should I say extra spicy, use code POLA20. Yes, that's P-A-U-L-A 20 for 20% of a plan every month for life. Yes, forever, ever, ever, ever, forever, ever, ever. So if you're a content creator, podcaster, or just tired of shouting into the void, go check out Stamp Edge Social because your content deserves better than linking bio with zero context. Again, that's Paula20 P A U L A 20. Because I love you, but I love organized chaos even more. Don't say I didn't tell you, don't say I didn't share, don't say I didn't give you the good good. Don't come back to me complaining, cause it's right there. Go on now. Go get your seven-day free try. Thank me later.

SPEAKER_00: 53:44

Listen, P. Listen, P. Um, first and foremost, thank you for having me on your show. I had a great time. Um, and again, I'm, you know, I'm just gonna reiterate what I said. And you know, when I speak, I speak from the heart and I speak true. I just appreciate the person that you are. Um, I appreciate, you know, us being friends and having a relationship that we've had for so many years. I appreciate you being consistent and things of that nature. Um, it is an inspiration for me as a male, right, to see strong black females out there getting to it, right? Um what that what that shows me is that, you know, there are people that understand and get it. And what you don't realize is, like I said, you said, oh, I didn't realize you paid that attention to me. You don't realize a lot of people pay a lot of attention to you that you you're not understanding, and you are influencing people and you are changing people's lives, and you don't even understand it or know it in the moment because what you're doing is pee, you're just being peaked. You're just being peaked, and it's your natural state, and we love that, but just understand that your natural state and you being consistent within that natural state is affecting more lives than you will ever truly understand. Because not everybody's gonna come to your podcast and say, Hey, P, you changed my life, or send you a DM, or somehow get your number, or even meet you in person and say, Hey, you have changed my life. But I guarantee you, there are people out there that you have changed their lives, that you have never met, and will probably never meet, and they'll probably never give you the credit, but but they know. And there are gonna be people that are gonna come up to you and say, Hey, you changed my life, and because of you, I decided to do this, and because of you, I had the strength to get through this situation or do that. Your friend just told you, hey man, I'm holding my boyfriend, somebody I'm intimate with, to a level of you, my friend, a platonic relationship. If that's not a testament to you changing somebody's life, then what is a person is telling you that that their mate, the person that they are intimate with, they're holding them to your level, a person that they just have a platonic relationship with. So it goes to show you that your influence is crossing boundaries. People are are using you for a sense of strength, a sense of power, a sense of inspiration. So the only thing I ask is that you never change and you just keep shining like a diamond, man, and keeping inspiring people like me and these young women out here that are gonna look at you and follow your story and be the next P, man, because we need you out here. We need more women like you to be celebrated out here. That's what I got.

SPEAKER_01: 56:32

Oh damn, damn my God, that was I received, and I'm learning to receive because that's one thing I have a problem with, but I appreciate everything you have said, and uh, you know, my heart, I I fucking love you and I appreciate you. Um I respect you in so many ways. So at first, we didn't get to literally talk about Iron's Gate Fitness. Um share a little bit about that, um, share where people can find more than uh title, and share where people can find uh outside the box digital, yeah, how they can what you guys do and how they can like this is your literally sell yourself section.

SPEAKER_00: 57:22

Listen, uh I'm not gonna sell myself. What I'm gonna tell you guys is if you're looking for inspiration, like what P provides, then then come holler at us, right? If you're looking for genuine, authentic people to become a village with, then you come holler at us. I'm not selling nothing. What I'm doing is providing something to you that is authentic and real and different than all the noise that the rest of social media provides. Iron Lion Fitness is my way of giving back. Um it's it's one of my five companies. It's a fitness company. We do personal training, we do meal plans, we do meal prepping, uh, we do um fitness education and things of that nature because the bottom line is health is wealth. I don't care how much you're worth, how much you're not worth, how many problems you got, how many kids you got, you have a health problem, you only have one problem. Okay. And too many of us, like I said, are not living as long as we are supposed to, and we're not living with the same prowess, right? We're not as healthy. Even if we're living age-wise physically, it's not matching where we should be. So health is wealth. It's it's your health is the is the most important thing in your life. So if you want to get some type of health literacy, uh fitness literacy and things of that nature, we're on we're on IG um at Iron Lions. It'll come right up, iron lines NYC. Um, we have um the website. Um I uh I think it's Iron Lions NYC. I I got so many websites. I ain't gonna lie, sometimes I just get confused. But just all you got to Google is Iron Lions Gym or Iron Lions NYC. We normally come up number one, uh, and that's what it is for Iron Lions. Um, that's just one of my five companies. Um, but be clear, even this company, I'm telling you guys ahead of time, I've started to shut down my companies one by one because I'm a student of the game. And by me now connecting with a lot more people that are way more wealthy than me and way more experienced in this, they're telling me that even though I'm being successful in five different venues, if I took all of the energy from the other four venues and concentrated it on the one venue, then I can promote that success faster and be more proficient at it. So, once again, being a student of the game, uh Iron Lions Fitness won't be operating, but but for so much longer, I don't have a complete end date because I love fitness. I'm in the gym every day, but uh, we're shutting, we're we're pausing these companies to refocus all of our energy. Into one thing, which is the More Than a Title podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:06

And where can people find more than a title podcast?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:11

Yeah, so more than a title, we're on every single streaming platform that streams podcasts. Anywhere you get your podcast fixed from, we're there. We have two forms. So most of these streaming sites are audio only. So we have an audio version of our podcast out on all streaming audio only platforms. And if you like to watch the video because we're animated and we laugh and we joke and uh it's just a great time, then you can go on any type of video-based platform, and we're on all of those, including YouTube, Instagram, uh, Facebook, LinkedIn, and all you have to do is type in more than a title or more than a title podcast, and we will come up. Um, we are normally number one on all searches, and we just found out uh yesterday that the more than a title podcast is in the top two percent of podcasts on YouTube in the world. So, you know, we we are we're being, you know, yeah, we're being we're being uh the algorithm took a liking to us, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:15

So uh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not gonna put this in the algorithm. You guys put in so much work and energy into that. Let's let's downplay this shit. The algorithm doesn't work for us. You guys we literally work for the algorithm. So you did that, you guys did that, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:38

Yeah, appreciate that. So, and that and that's where we are, you know. And uh, we go live if you want to check the show out. We go live Tuesdays and Thursdays, normally at 6 30 Eastern Standard Time. And we have a good time, man. Yeah, we go live two times a week, minimum. Uh, and then a lot of times we have in-person uh interviews and in-person events that we host and stream. And listen, we working, man. You might you might get two shows, you might get three, you might get four. Just know we we're out here working. We like P. We ain't gonna let P outwork us. P you ain't outworking me.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:12

Oh no, you guys are working and you ain't gonna outwork me, homie.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:16

Umie.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:20

And I be joining in their lives just to uh to make sure they know I'm in the uh I'm in the benches. Like I uh uh I love it. So if you guys are available there, it's not just educational, it's entertaining, it's it's chilled vibes, it's good energy, it's quality information, quality guests, quality personality. Like it's a fun time. It's a fun time. So make sure you join them on live because I I I don't think I've uh I know some episodes I've gone back and listened because sometimes they do talk shit about me on the episodes, but most of them I do try to be to watch on live because they are better in live than listening later. But congratulations and I can't wait to see what you guys do for 2026. I feel like you're it's just going bigger and better, and um, I am so proud of watching you, witnessing your breaking the barriers and just being a little bit part of your tribe in this big equation. So I'm glad our we collided, and um even though I enjoyed the energy when I met you guys at Podfest, but I will say my favorite link up would and will always be podcast movement in Dallas.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03:52

You're gonna say movement.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:53

I know you're gonna say movement, you're gonna say like everything about that night, me falling down and not ending up in a hospital with a concussion.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:03

We're gonna say movement, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:05

The connections that build up to that, and despite the kids getting lost and people couldn't leave, we still we had a time, we we had a time, and I learned that some people you shouldn't talk to them unless you feed them fast, so you know to know each other in a different level because we finally got time to just hang out, yeah. And that was my best moment. So, again, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for finally making it, and I appreciate you. Especially for season 10, because this season 10 is special, so I'm glad you made it in the four last episodes remaining. I'm sorry guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:48

Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. We appreciate it. Thank you guys. Talk shit with P. I'm I'm looking forward to rap shit with P. I'm looking forward to P doing all this crazy shit, so I could be like, she my friend. I know her. She my friend. And I'm out of here. We appreciate you guys.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:06

We are working on a new stain for that 420 people. We are bringing a P energy stain out there. So watch out for that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:14

There it is. There it is.