S10E9 - We Talked Bees, Beyonce, And Why Ending A Show Isn’t Failure, It’s Graduating A Podcast!!

Recorded on the floor at Podcast Movement, we open up about what it really means to “graduate” a show. Not quitting. Not failure. A deliberate step toward the next chapter. Paula reflects on Season 10 as a season of growth and redirection, while our guest Junaid shares how 700 interviews stayed fresh by letting the format evolve — from beekeeping stories to origin journeys to the habits that keep creators moving.

We dig into why podcasts often start as private diaries that happen to be public, and how that intimacy can evolve into a powerful networking engine. The conversation moves from momentum to leverage: treating each interview as a soft invite into your world, building trust with guests, and letting those relationships compound into collaborations and opportunities. We also confront podfade at its source: post-production. You’ll hear practical ways to reduce the grind, find interns or a team, and build a simple workflow that protects your energy for the part you love—the conversation.

There’s room for joy and texture here too: a detour into beekeeping sparked by a search for local honey, a shoutout to Queen B, and the sponsor moments that keep indie shows rolling. We talk tools that matter, like link dashboards that show exactly which posts drive action, so you can double down on what works and stop guessing. And we ground the creative hustle with mental health—faith as structure and purpose, prayer as recalibration, and community as the safety net that helps you choose whether to pause, pivot, or evolve without shame.

If you’re standing at a crossroads—end the pod, rebrand it, or push on—this conversation gives you language, tactics, and permission. Share this with a friend who’s debating a pivot, and leave a review to tell us: are you pausing, rebranding, or graduating your show next?

For Extra support BOOK time to chat with Wrap Shit With P https://calendly.com/wrapshitwithp

To connect with Junaid https://homestudiomastery.com/ 

& listen to his Podcast https://www.hacksandhobbies.com/

Chapters

• 0:00 Live From Podcast Movement
• 1:07 A Season About Growth And Closure
• 2:47 First Impressions And A Heart-Led Host
• 4:03 Podcast As Private Journal And Outlet
• 5:18 700 Interviews And Evolving Formats
• 6:44 Networking, Leverage, And Soft Invites
• 8:04 Beekeeping Journey And Local Honey
• 10:06 Sponsor: Wrap Shit With P
• 11:10 Tools And Tracking With Stamp It Social
• 13:05 Quit, Pause, Or Rebrand Without Shame
• 14:35 Avoiding Podfade With Teams And Interns
• 16:10 Faith, Structure, And Mental Health
• 18:10 Community, Values, And Support Systems
• 19:24 Guest Plugs And Studio Resources
• 20:18 Recommended Episodes And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:00

Hey, hey, how are you doing, Janade?

SPEAKER_01: 0:02

I'm doing good.

SPEAKER_02: 0:03

Where are we at, Janae? Where are we at?

SPEAKER_01: 0:05

We are at B and H photo representing some really sexy hot gear at Podcast Movement 2025.

SPEAKER_02: 0:14

Do you know what B and H stands for? It stands for Welcome to Doctor What Play.

SPEAKER_01: 0:53

Yeah. You know what? It's probably somebody's name's initials. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02: 0:58

So Janae.

SPEAKER_01: 0:59

But I I want to hear what you think.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02

I really don't know, and I should have asked them, but I'm grateful for them for allowing us to record here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07

You do know that I'm ending my podcast, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10

You're ending your podcast because it's gonna uh, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14

We have done enough shit.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17

We are we're done shitting, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20

Enough more shit to shit out of talk shit we pee. But um season 10, I wanted it to be all about uh growth, yeah, uh redirection, uh rebranding, um knowing when to stop because I feel like sometimes when people decide to end something, they feel like it's a failure. Like maybe I feel, right? But sometimes you need to step back to get a clear picture of where it's going.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47

I think I think what you're saying is that after you've done four years of high school, you don't want to stay there, right? You're graduating, so you're not ending the show, the the the show is graduating.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01

It's gonna have a certificate and it's gonna, you know, all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04

So how long have we known each other, Janaide?

SPEAKER_01: 2:07

I think about three to four years.

SPEAKER_02: 2:09

So I asked this to everybody who comes on my podcast for season 10. When you met me, what was your impression and what is your impression right now after all those three years?

SPEAKER_01: 2:22

So when I first met you, I didn't really know who you were, and it was like, wow, this is a very high-energy human being. Uh, and I didn't know that you had a podcast. I only discovered that very recently, maybe maybe two years ago, right? And you've probably been doing a ton of conversation, ton of talks over the years. But the more I got to know you, the more I knew how deep of a heart-centered person you are. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 2:50

And it's funny you said you didn't know I had a podcast because I've realized whenever I got to because we meet each other in so many. Whenever I got to these conferences, I realized I don't like talking about my podcast or telling people I like to know about them. Yes, all they do, and connect them with everybody I meet. I'm like, how do I meet this guy? So it's not surprising that you didn't know. Yes. And maybe also because I feel like talk show with P was like my baby, right? So there's some ways, yes, you want it out there, but you also like not everybody needs to listen to it. I'm one of the few people who are like, I don't care about don't give me downloads, like, don't find me. Like, do you know what shit I talk in there? Like, do I really want you to see my personality in real life?

SPEAKER_01: 3:33

Yeah, you know what I what I'm hearing here, Paula, is that the podcast was more of an outlet. It's more like a journal, it's more like a diary, right? You not everybody gets reads a personal diary, but a personal diary is for us to get remove the things that are holding us back, right? So that's what the podcast was doing for you. Is now that you removed all the things that were holding you back, you are on another level, right? And when I started my my when I started my podcast, I didn't tell anybody about it either. For one year, I didn't promote, I didn't talk about it, I didn't do nothing. You know, all I was doing is the reps. It's those early years and those early days when you go into the gym. Like, I don't want to tell anybody I'm working out. Because then they're gonna be like, hey, did you go work out today?

SPEAKER_02: 4:23

Like, uh, everybody's gonna know when I walk out because baby, I made it to the gym. You're gonna know. You will see these pictures, and you maybe I showed up for like five, ten minutes. Like it's too short. I went to the gym.

SPEAKER_01: 4:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 4:37

Speaking of your podcast, you're one of the people I know who has please tell the people how many episodes do you have? How many have you recorded?

SPEAKER_01: 4:47

Sure. So I've recorded about 700 guests on the show. Like, like that's 700 hours of talking to a new person, unless I bring you know people back to the show.

SPEAKER_02: 5:00

I love it. And how do you keep going? Like, you know, for right now, I keep telling everybody I'm ending it, but who knows in one year maybe I might come. Like, I am so happy and proud of my podcast because of everything that it has brought for me. Because I feel like everybody wants to go viral with their podcast, but they're missing that. Look at the opportunities that podcast has given you, the rooms that podcast says, because that's also leverage, right? It is, yes. So um how have you been able to keep the momentum going? Because 700 is not I'm just on top of it.

SPEAKER_01: 5:34

It's not an easy number, right? So the idea behind a podcast or behind my podcast is number one, it's evolving with me, right? So I started as uh documenting my beekeeping journey, then it evolved to interviewing people who are who've made it, then it's involved uh, you know, start then pivoting again to just focus on their intro journeys and then focusing on how they keep moving. So it's it's been an evolution for me as well, but it's another way for me to soft invite somebody into my world. Right? It's a way for me to invite somebody uh that I've met for the first time to come into my world. So not only am I providing them with a platform, but I'm also getting to know them as a human being, as a person. And who knows, maybe in the future you become a business partner or you're doing uh collaborations with them. So that's been keeping me going on why I keep doing the podcast. The other reason why I keep doing it is is a way to show my kids and like, hey, look at all of these people, what are they doing, what's possible for them, and how amazing you know it is when you get to you know control this. So that's those are some of the reasons for why I do it.

SPEAKER_02: 6:48

I'm curious, how did you get into bees?

SPEAKER_01: 6:50

How did I get into bees? I love that question.

SPEAKER_02: 6:53

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SPEAKER_01: 7:56

Well, I love Queen Bee, you know, Beyonce, so I gotta get it. It's alright, it's alright. It's I'm all I'm only happy. I'm only happy when it rains, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02: 8:11

Alright, alright. So Queen B took to be.

SPEAKER_01: 8:13

So the reason I got into uh beekeeping is number one, a few years ago we took my son to an allergist, and he was just two years old, and he did all these pinpricks on him to discover, you know, what but foods is he allergic to. And then as an offhand comment, the the doctor goes, you know, local honey is really good for seasonal allergies. I was like, ooh, local honey. I gotta give me some of that. Now, if it was a normal person, they would just go to the organic store organic store or farmers farmers market and get some local honey. But no, I had to become a beekeeper.

SPEAKER_02: 8:50

Of course you didn't, right?

SPEAKER_01: 8:51

So seven, eight years later, I finally were in a home that we can build to w we can uh have beehives. So I started learning about beekeeping, and then uh I was watching just I was just constantly watching videos on YouTube about beekeeping, and then the last one that I watched, the guy's like, hey, if you really want to become a beekeeper, you need to go join a local beekeepers association. And that's where my journey started to becoming a beekeeper.

SPEAKER_02: 9:17

So if uh uh they genade um honey out there?

SPEAKER_01: 9:23

There's uh I call it the sweet raw honey that that was uh that I was uh selling uh a few years ago, but that's that was again, you know, it it has graduated.

SPEAKER_02: 9:35

Damn, so I'm not gonna get a honey.

SPEAKER_01: 9:38

I might have some bottles, I might I might be able to send them over.

SPEAKER_02: 9:42

You better send me some honey. So um, Janae, thank you so much for your time. But uh before we we call it off, because you know it's happy hours soon somewhere, you know. I gotta get a bad visor and stuff. But um okay, listen up, y'all. I'm about to give you all a great ass tip, okay? Y'all know I barely read my DMs and God don't get me started on tracking my links. But now I'm lucky organized. And you wanna know why? You wanna know what the secret is? Stamp it social. So stamp it social, it's like um if Instagram, Linktree, and your favorite social media intern had a baby, but with boundaries and vibes, lots of vibes, you get a full dashboard that tracks what people are actually clicking on. Now, wouldn't you like to know that? Like I do, and I enjoy it, I've been obsessed with it. Like, for once, I know which post made your run to my link and which ones have flopped harder than my ex's mixtape. Sorry, plus here's a kicker. Get this right, there's a seven-day free trial because we don't do commitments without a test drive, y'all. And if you're feeling spicy, or should I say extra spicy, use code POLA20. Yes, that's P-A-U-L-A 20 for 20% of a plan every month for life. Yes, forever, ever, ever, ever, forever, ever, ever. So if you're a content creator, podcaster, or just tired of shouting into the void, go check out Stamped Social because your content deserves better than linking bio with zero context. Again, that's Paula20, P A U L A 20. Because I love you, but I love organized chaos even more. Don't say I didn't tell you, don't say I didn't share, don't say I didn't give you the good, good. Don't come back to me complaining because it's right there. Go on now. Go get your seven-day free try. Thank me later. For a person who's again, our mind plays tricks on us, right? Even though sometimes you know, like right now, this is what I need to do, but it's also kind of like a bit of sweep. Like even with me on my podcast, I'm like, I kind of don't want to end it, but I need to for right now. So for a person who's judging themselves or thinking they're they have failed, instead of looking at it as I know you, as you say, you're gonna be. Uh what advice would you have for them? Oh, in that road cross of should I stop? Should I quit? Should I rebrand? Because sometimes also rebranding people think like they failed, but it is you know, we've seen businesses rebrand, TV shows, everything. People rebrand all the time. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 12:36

So you could definitely do a rebrand of the show, and but what you also want to do is look at how much time are you uh spending on a podcast in the post-production? Because there's 10 levels of podcasting, right? One level is just a conversation, that's the fun, that's the most fun hour, right? Everything else is what it's the after edits, it's the it's and that's what causes pod fade, right? So see if you can find a team that can assist you. See if you can bring in interns that not only are you teaching them podcast editing, post-production, whatnot, but you're also um empowering them. So think of that. How can you bring in people that are new to this? And it could even be uh, you know, going to the local university and like, hey, do you have interns? Do you have people uh or students that are going to your podcast program? Oh, can I teach them? Can I bring them on? So again, that creates a new level of purpose for you, what you're doing with the podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 13:36

But these kids these days, they don't like doing anything for free. Everybody's all about money. These kids are built different. Well, back in the day, we used to be interning and volunteer because it always built credit.

SPEAKER_01: 13:47

You're absolutely right, and you're hanging with the wrong people.

SPEAKER_02: 13:50

Okay, I hang out in my room by myself.

SPEAKER_01: 13:53

There are people, there are people that would happily come work with you, come learn from you because it it all comes down, okay. What are you giving out back to the community? You're giving out love, you're giving out so much attention, like you're hyping everybody up, right? You're hyping them. So that's a really powerful power. Cheerleaders don't get paid to cheer their team on.

SPEAKER_02: 14:18

Oh, yeah, I found out how much Dallas Cowboys, but they love, they're so passionate, but they get paid penny this. But they put in so much. So I feel like when you get people who are also passionate, yeah, because they want to grow their craft and all that. So I love that. Earlier today, when you were interviewing me, you asked me um what is the one question I always ask. So I'm gonna bring it back here and ask you because I think we are all about mental health again. So, how do you deal with your mental health? What tricks and trips do you use to get yourself in the right head when your head is giving you all that craziness going on? Especially now, there's a lot going on out there, yeah. So our minds wander, even sometimes you're like trying not to. So, what do you do?

SPEAKER_01: 15:06

So, let me tell you what I do and what people have been doing. So there was a report out just a few years ago. Sorry, it's a few months ago. The number one reason why people use Chat CPT, you know what that is? The number one reason is for personal development. They want a companion, they want somebody that's helping them uh stay on task, somebody to give their life meaning and structure. And guess what? That guess where you can find those three things already and people have been using uh or finding those three things for the past decades or centuries. It's religion. Right? So Islam as my religion being Muslim, it brings me structure, it brings me companionship, and and it gives me a purpose of why am I even here on this planet. So I go back to God, I go back to God, what do I need to do? Where what am I doing in this world, right? So then the number one reason that we're here in this world is to number one worship. Number two is to help others. So when I find that am I in alignment with what God wants me to do? And if I am, then you know I'm happy. And then is it giving me joy? So again, I go back to God and ask him and I pray and say, okay, what can I do? How can I level up other people's lives? So that's what that's what I do for.

SPEAKER_02: 16:32

I like that. And that's not true, because the first time I started getting really depressed and understanding what depression was, my mom literally was the one who told me was like, Paula, pray. God will give you the answer. And the more I started praying, it felt like you're sure that like some happiness is being lifted off your shoulder. And me and loyalty, I mean, shout out to my God, loyalty over there. Yeah, whenever we we go through so much, and whenever we underco, we're like we we are constantly telling each other, God guard us, that as long as we got faith and God, we pray like she's being amazing, she's in the church helping the youth. So also surrounding yourselves with people who align with you and your purpose is also a big factor. So thank you so much for hanging out with me. But before we leave, let the people know all the incredible shit you do because you are an author, you are a podcaster, you are a studio maker, video creator, you are amazing, doing incredible shit. And I just want people to know that. So let the people know all the amazing stuff and where they can find you.

SPEAKER_01: 17:37

Well, Paula, thank you so much for bringing me on. It's been a pleasure getting to chat with you, getting to grow with you, getting to learn about you.

SPEAKER_02: 17:44

And we have sound.

SPEAKER_01: 17:45

And we have sound this time. Oh my god. Last year, earlier this year, we recorded an episode and there was no audio because the microphones had died and I forgot to charge them. But you can find me uh at Super Chnate on all the social media platforms. Uh, if you want to learn more about building home studios, head on over to homestudiomastery.com. And you can check out my podcast wherever you listen, hacksonhobies.com, where I interview amazing guests on the show.

SPEAKER_02: 18:13

Okay, one last question. This is closing up for real. For real.

SPEAKER_01: 18:16

I need to bring you on too.

SPEAKER_02: 18:17

I know it's about them time.

SPEAKER_01: 18:19

It's about them time.

SPEAKER_02: 18:21

700 people, who has been that? I know it's hard to pick like one conversation. I I have a hard time when people tell me, What was your favorite episode? I'm like, all of them, that's where they came on my show. Like, excuse me. Why wouldn't I bring somebody who I know I'm gonna have? But is there an episode? So for people who don't know your show, right? And they would wanna jump in. Yeah, what would be the first episode you would recommend them to be like this is the one that either you're gonna get hooked or you're gonna say fuck the show?

SPEAKER_01: 18:49

So my favorite episode after so many episodes has been one with uh Miss Heather Parody. And then uh very recently I got to interview my good friend and legend, podcast legend Pat Flynn on the show.

SPEAKER_02: 19:04

So I got to check that one out. And I'm a big fan of Heather, and I got to meet her when Janade came to Atlanta and did that, and she's as amazing. You know, sometimes when you see people online and then you meet them, and they're even better than you are.

SPEAKER_01: 19:17

Oh my gosh, that's so true.

SPEAKER_02: 19:19

Yes, so thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01: 19:20

Thank you to being to be in photo.

SPEAKER_02: 19:23

Yeah, this is all because of them, and thank you for Janade. We didn't plan this. I didn't just pulled him and were like, let's talk it up. So thank you for having time for me.

SPEAKER_01: 19:32

Absolutely, thank you.

SPEAKER_02: 19:36

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SPEAKER_01: 20:54

We can just walk away and hit stop on the on the thing over there. Edit it out.