S10E7 - From Mic to Metrics: The Pause That Paid Off & Turned Passion into Paycheck!!

What if pressing pause is the smartest move you can make? We get real about closing out Season 10 to focus energy where it compounds, sharing the why behind a deliberate hiatus and the plan to return stronger. The mission now is Wrap Shit With P: branding, merchandise, curated gifting, and VA-powered project management for creatives and entrepreneurs who want to show up bigger, bolder, and better. We unpack how a podcast can be more than content—it can be a client engine—once the offers, systems, and tracking are dialled in.

Chase from Mowpod joins us with a rare, transparent look at audience growth that actually pays off. Instead of selling impressions, Mowpod runs on pay-for-performance: you only pay when key outcomes happen, like Apple follows or episode engagement. We trace his journey from early ad real estate to newsletter wins and into podcasting, including the product that flopped and the decision to pivot fast. That story lands hard for independent podcasters and scrappy founders: failure is data, and iteration beats ego. Signals to watch for product–market fit, how to judge when to persist versus redirect, and why optimism is a founder’s renewable fuel all show up here.

If you’re an indie creator feeling stretched thing as this conversation offers a practical blueprint for stepping back without giving up. We talk early clients, seasonal corporate gifting, creative operations, and the tools that turn link-in-bio chaos into insight. The promise is simple: close well, build your engine, and come back with a show that sells by serving. If that resonates, tap follow, share with a friend who needs permission to pivot, and leave a quick review so more creators find their way back to momentum.

Get in touch with Chase and find out more about MowPod via https://mowpod.com/

While you're at it, check out MowPod Charts https://charts.mowpod.com/

Chapters

• 0:00 Warm Welcome And Banter
• 1:36 Why Pause The Podcast
• 3:11 Introducing Rap Shit With P
• 5:20 Clients, Services And Early Wins
• 8:45 Travel, Community And Mopod Culture
• 14:37 What Mopod Actually Does
• 18:00 Chase’s Path To Mopod
• 22:08 Failure, Pivots And Product-Market Fit
• 24:20 Advice For New Founders
• 24:33 Sponsor Reads And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:05

I'm good. I'm happy we're finally doing this.

SPEAKER_03: 0:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 0:51

Chase.

SPEAKER_00: 0:52

Hola.

SPEAKER_02: 0:53

How you doing? How you feeling? It's been I'm tired.

SPEAKER_00: 0:57

But I'm good. I can't complain. How are you feeling? Yeah?

SPEAKER_02: 1:02

See this voice? Chase, you've been hiding away from me. I don't like that I think I haven't got to spend so much time with you this time.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08

Hold on, I'll never hide it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10

I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12

It's because you're working. Me, I'm doing nothing the whole time. I'm just hanging out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16

You're taking important meetings.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18

Yeah, I do a little bit, so a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Joe and Meryl enjoy the talking, you know. I just sit there and nod my head.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25

I don't believe that. I feel like Joe is the one walking around doing no shit and you're all doing the most shit. I was like, hi Joe.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31

Yeah, hey Joe, how's it going? But um a bit of this, a bit of that, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36

Welcome to Talk Show with B. We've actually recorded.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39

I can't believe it took you this long to invite me on the show.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41

Well, because I wanted to do it in person, and every time we're in person, it's so hard to get a time to actually record. And that's what it was so important for me to make sure I do it this time because I'm not seeing you again until next year.

SPEAKER_00: 1:53

Yeah, that's true. So thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57

Thank you for coming on. Uh, that sounded so wrong. Thank you for coming on. Anyway, this is one of my favorite people. Anybody of y'all who know, you know, I fuck hard with uh I'm sounding everything's sounding wrong.

SPEAKER_00: 2:11

But I'm fucking you like Mopod.

SPEAKER_02: 2:12

I love Mopod.

SPEAKER_00: 2:12

Mopod's a great company.

SPEAKER_02: 2:14

Not like I love Mopod and the people.

SPEAKER_00: 2:17

Paula's without any doubt, 100% our biggest fan.

SPEAKER_02: 2:21

Forever and ever.

SPEAKER_00: 2:23

She's actually the Mopod mascot.

SPEAKER_02: 2:26

Oh my god, can we get one?

SPEAKER_00: 2:27

Yeah, you need to be a part of our logo.

SPEAKER_02: 2:29

No, right? Can we turn into a mascot? That would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00: 2:33

You can be on the Mopod t-shirts.

SPEAKER_02: 2:35

Please.

SPEAKER_00: 2:38

Yeah, done. Joe, that's an idea for you. You can execute that.

SPEAKER_02: 2:40

Yeah, Joe, I'm I'm gonna make sure you hear this part, okay? Um, so I've been talking about ending talkshire we pee.

SPEAKER_00: 2:50

Why? Why would you do that? Let's talk about that actually. I think that's a good topic. Why would you do that? Why would you quit? You are such a hardcore podcaster.

SPEAKER_02: 2:59

Because I'm already talk show we P.

SPEAKER_00: 3:02

Like you already are P. Yes. But why end the podcast?

SPEAKER_02: 3:07

Um, I have directions that I wanna take next year. I've started my own consultation farm. I wanna put so much energy and love in growing that, and I know I can't I want to what kind of consultant? Uh branding, merchandise, uh project manager via service and gifting.

SPEAKER_00: 3:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 3:26

So I'm working into building that, and with that, and I have another project that I'm working on, a bookslash journal. So I feel like I wanna put the passion that I did on talk show with Pete to them, and I don't have energy for both of them. Again, when you're an independent podcaster, right? And when I'm talking about independent, I'm meaning doors without a team. Because I don't feel you're independent when you have a team. I'm sorry, not sorry. But when you're editing, you're the you're the producer, you're the guest, you're the guest searcher, you're the interviewer, you are the host, you are the social media marketer, like all that thing, it drains sometimes.

SPEAKER_00: 4:03

But in saying that, if you could keep it up, would it not be like complementary to what you're doing on the consulting side as a way to promote yourself, promote your services, get clients? And that's why like getting using a podcast to get clients is such a great strategy, as you would know. Like all the branded podcasts, that's what they do. They want to interview their prospective clients.

SPEAKER_02: 4:19

Exactly. And that's what I'm gonna do, but that's why season 10, like I'm very strategic with season 10, and that's why I wanted to do uh in-person recordings, and I'm talking about grinding and growth and pivoting, right? Yeah, so I feel like while I I'm building this, like this can stay on hold, because it's gonna come back. Like I'm ending it for now, and when it comes to Okay, so it's not a permanent closure. Okay, no, but I want to make sure I give my loyal fans a proper closing because when we bring it back, it's gonna interject with because my company is called Rap Shit with P. Clearly, yeah. It's called what? Rap, like wrapping paper.

SPEAKER_00: 4:56

Yeah, rap shit with peace. Yeah, I like it. That's good.

SPEAKER_02: 4:59

Rap Shit with P is more than just a name, it's what we do. We make visions come alive from branding and match to curated gifting and virtual assistant services. We help creatives, entrepreneurs, and businesses show up bigger, bolder, and better.

SPEAKER_01: 5:18

So if you're ready to level up your vision, connect with us on IG at rapsheetwithp or wrapshitwithp at gmail.com and that's w r a p s I T W I T H P RapshitwithP at gmail.com or wrapshe with p on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02: 5:45

Rapshitwitp where access meets energy, where passion meets execution, and where every detail gets wrapped with love and excitement. So here's to season 10. The final season of Talk She We P. So yeah, when we come back, like after I figured out all the neat, because y'all didn't tell me starting a company is a lot of paperwork, like getting all shit in order and all those little things. Because I don't have I do have some clients, but I don't have really clients like that. Yeah. So I'm using the time to clean out the back end.

SPEAKER_00: 6:24

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02: 6:25

You know, doing the paperwork, the NDAs, the uh can you say who your clients are?

SPEAKER_00: 6:30

What kind of or at least what kind of companies you want to work with?

SPEAKER_02: 6:33

Um well, I I don't know if I want to work with companies to be honest, but we will still, I mean, on the gifting side, I wouldn't mind companies because like corporate gifting around Christmas and whatnot. All that I wouldn't mind. But on the project management side with a VA, I want to work with creatives because I feel like creatives are easy to think outside the box. And you have known me. I'm not uh I'm a person who doesn't do normal shit. Yes, I want to work with people who are okay with not doing normal and bring that to life. But so far, um, Amanda is one of my clients, you know. Shout out to friends who support you and 100%. And then uh Dominic Lawson, uh, who has a podcast mental health return, he's a 36 times award-winning, and he's a big fan of Mopad because he started using Mopad as of because of you?

SPEAKER_00: 7:24

Yeah, you have heard him, thank you.

SPEAKER_02: 7:25

And then he came to DC. I took, I make sure I got a sit-down with Marilyn, and they've been talking, and she was like, Oh, my podcast, we are using Mopad. I'm like, yes, do it. Um, and then we have also Walter, who recently there was a time I sent an email and I was showing her he just because he didn't want to do everything, I was like, No, you do it for me. So he has also been using Mopad recently.

SPEAKER_00: 7:49

We should be giving your commission.

SPEAKER_02: 7:51

If you work with me, you get access to easy mopad without having to get in. Not that I had to get in contact with, but um, they've been amazing clients and I can do their stuff easily. So I'm like, you guys are not challenging me in there.

SPEAKER_00: 8:06

And we're gonna start a Paul SEMA rate. If you come to us and use the code word policema, you get a special discount. I haven't decided what it is yet, but we'll do something for you. I feel like it's I feel like half of our self-service platform comes from like your referrals.

SPEAKER_02: 8:20

I I but I here's the thing. I feel like you guys already do so much so much for you.

SPEAKER_00: 8:29

Do we?

SPEAKER_02: 8:30

Like, y'all gave me the best birthday present last year. Y'all gave me so much the best birthday present last year. Anytime I'm around you guys, I don't have to worry about anything. Yeah. You guys checking on me when I'm when I'm sick or when I'm going like that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00: 8:46

Yeah, we love you Paul, uh, you're the best.

SPEAKER_02: 8:47

And we're like, sir, I don't need no fucking referee or whatever. Like, you know, sometimes you it's the love that comes back, the support as well. That's supporting the same from you guys.

SPEAKER_00: 8:57

But in saying that, if you do want to get into the corporate gifting space, we'd love to use your obviously. We'd love to be your first core power client.

SPEAKER_02: 9:05

This shit is happening right here. I will I will send you all my packages.

SPEAKER_00: 9:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 9:11

The holidays are coming up, I'm just saying it's the perfect time. But Chase, you have known me, I think, now for going three years. We met at Podfest.

SPEAKER_00: 9:20

No, maybe more. I've been going to Podfest for first time was in 2021. But you weren't at that one.

SPEAKER_02: 9:29

It was at Tampa.

SPEAKER_00: 9:30

We had the karaoke boat party.

SPEAKER_02: 9:32

Oh my god, I was told.

SPEAKER_00: 9:33

Yeah, the Mopa party is the best party.

SPEAKER_02: 9:35

We literally have to have a t-shirt, but then you don't need a t-shirt. If you've been to a mopoph party, you know. There's no party like a mop party party. I'm just saying, yesterday we were on the bus coming back. Joe's like, damn, we should have a bottle right now and making sure everybody's getting shots because that's what we used to do.

SPEAKER_00: 9:51

That's what we used to do. We used to run down the bus with fireball bottles, pouring from everyone's mouth.

SPEAKER_02: 9:55

As we are going to how by the moon, like again.

SPEAKER_00: 9:58

I've got to say, we've chilled out a little bit these days. We're not quite as rowdy as we used to be.

SPEAKER_02: 10:02

There's no more energy. I have to keep reminding myself, I'm not as young as I was last year.

SPEAKER_00: 10:08

How old are you, Paula? Can we talk about that? Is that inappropriate? How old are you?

SPEAKER_02: 10:11

I just stand 36 in June.

SPEAKER_00: 10:13

Okay. I'm 34. Two years.

SPEAKER_02: 10:19

My baby brother. But he has more money than me, so clearly he should be my older brother. But and he's traveling a lot. Chase. Share about your listen to ranches. You've been everywhere.

unknown: 10:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 10:30

You're so jealous because you're going to places that I want to go to find a rich husband. Like you're in the right places for me to get a rich husband, and you couldn't give me a rich husband.

SPEAKER_00: 10:38

Yeah, when I'm at these places, I'm not going around playing matchmaker. But next time you just need to come with me. I can't just come with me.

SPEAKER_02: 10:46

I don't have moped money, not yet.

SPEAKER_00: 10:49

So you're about to have rapship with pea. Then you'll have rapship with pea money. So then we'll go to Saint-Tropez.

SPEAKER_02: 10:56

Yes, your recent trip.

SPEAKER_00: 10:58

Yeah, no, so this year I've done a lot of travel and really on the back of like podcasting conferences. So there was a podcast show in London. Um after that, Mike and I went to Barcelona, had an amazing time there. Mike went back to Japan and then I continued traveling around Europe for like about two months. I went to south of France, spent a bit of time there, went to Portugal, back to London, then to Ibiza, and then I finished up in Sicily. And it was amazing. And like I had so many different friends that are around that I was able to visit, or people that were like coming to Europe and joining for different portions of the trip. But it was a wild time. I'm exhausted though. I'm ready to not travel after this trip. I'm like not doing any travel for the rest of the year.

SPEAKER_02: 11:36

Does this mean now you're going back to New York like if New York is now home?

SPEAKER_00: 11:39

Or in two weeks it will be.

SPEAKER_02: 11:41

So when you leave here, you're going back to Australia?

SPEAKER_00: 11:43

Back to Australia, pack all my shit. And then I could use your hub. You need move shit with P. Move shit with P. There's your new business. You can get into the freight line of business. Great money to be made there.

SPEAKER_02: 11:56

I'll start this one first, okay? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:59

Alright, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02: 12:00

Wow. I almost wanted to to block him while he was in Europe because I was like, this is and you're like, damn the sneaker. My end was just as I was saying, you have known me for like four or three years, three and a half years. What was your first impression when you met me now and your now impression after knowing me for that long?

SPEAKER_00: 12:22

That's a good question. Well, you already knew Mike and Joe, right? Before me, because they came and went to the same one. Well, whatever one they met you at, I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_02: 12:30

Yeah, so when I met Madeline as well.

SPEAKER_00: 12:33

Yeah, okay. So I because you like came and gave a big warm like embrace when you saw both of them, and I saw that you guys were already friends, and I was like, you know, we're we're a tight bunch at most. I was like, alright, she's cool. And like you you lead with your personality straight away, you know, you're so warm, loud, you just you break into a room and everyone knows it. So honestly, I don't know if your first impression is totally different from like who you are just as a person in general, which I think is great. You know, you're you're you're very real, very authentic, very caring. I didn't know how much you loved us, and then consequently, I would love you back, you know, like like how much you appreciated what we do and how big of a supporter you are of ours. Um but it's cool, you know, like most of the people in in this industry, it's like you know, they're kind of partially friends, and like, but also there's definitely a very serious element of like business that's involved and like professionalism. Whereas I really feel like with you, you're just like a real friend, you know? Podcasting is how we connected, but like it's it's not a transactional relationship, it's just you know, we're boys.

SPEAKER_02: 13:36

Homies. We're gonna put them. I I literally talk more when I get married, more part is making me like we are getting uh more than a big bridesmaids. And bridesmates, you're like I I have very few girlfriends, like I know a lot of girls, but I I grew up at Tomboy, right? I that's why I think I get along with guys and I can hang with guys that I talk shit. So I grew up that way. Even my dad was like, if you like if you can make you have more best months than bridesman. I'm like, I don't even want a bride or party. Like, I I want a bachelor, not a bachelor, right?

SPEAKER_00: 14:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 14:12

My bachelor party will just be my.

SPEAKER_00: 14:14

Well, Mopel would happily sponsor and throw the bachelor party. Where's it gonna be though?

SPEAKER_02: 14:18

Is it gonna be in America or we have to find the husband first?

SPEAKER_00: 14:22

I figured that's out. We can just do a bachelor party anyway, who cares?

SPEAKER_02: 14:25

But if we if Mopad throws my bachelor party, I might not walk down the aisle the next day.

SPEAKER_00: 14:30

Yeah, we'd have to do it a couple of weeks in advance. We have to be strategic here.

SPEAKER_02: 14:34

But um chase, tell the people what you actually do in Mopad.

SPEAKER_00: 14:38

Yeah, sure. So Mopad creates audience development products for podcasts, right? Um I think what separates us from a lot of other marketing solutions out there is that all the products that we create, um, they're all uh run on a pay-for-performance basis. So it's not a matter of like buying impressions or flicks and hoping for the best. Um everything we do, you're charged based on like a fixed kind of um point of action or engagement. So whether that's driving follows to a show on Apple or driving engagement to a specific episode, we're only going to charge you if we actually can achieve those uh desired points of engagement. And we work with pretty much all the major networks, production houses, as well as a ton of independent creators across the industry. So we're trying to position products that work really well for the enterprise clients, but also not completely price ourselves out of um what's realistic for the majority of podcasters that are independent, that are doing it as a hobby and don't have you know big budgets backing them.

SPEAKER_02: 15:34

I love that. And um they're so humble because if you look at their client list, like they're the most humble motherfuckers. Sometimes I have to tell Joe and Mike, hey, can you name drop a little bit, Justin? Just to put people back on their place, like you know? But um, I remember when I first met you guys and I had a meeting with Joe, and I was like, what the fuck do you guys do? Because I literally spent the time in your booth, but I didn't learn anything. I was just padding and enjoying the company.

SPEAKER_00: 15:59

Well, at Podfest, you know, that we're not like promoting super hard. We're just we just want to have a presence here. But most times we're there, we have like a bucket of beers in in our booth, and then we just sit there kind of drinking, changing the podcasters, and somehow that translates to business, believe it or not. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 16:13

And I always send people, I'm like, they have beer there, but also talk to them. Some of us when you tell people there's free beer, they will come to your booth. But I don't think they all they always need that because they have one of the best shirts. So people also sometimes because I'll be wearing like I feel like I overwear my moped shirts every month. So I'll be running around with them and they'll be like, of course you know what you can go to moped, and they also have beer.

SPEAKER_00: 16:39

Yeah, half the traffic we get there is like Paula sent us. She said you have beer and t-shirts, and that we should talk to you guys about podcasting.

SPEAKER_02: 16:48

I mean, there was one time because you guys had a whole cooler and beers, but we forgot uh openers.

SPEAKER_00: 16:55

Yes, I remember.

SPEAKER_02: 16:57

That was the time I decided to have much of my opener key hold. So I brought a bunch of them. I was like, just dump them here and give whoever gets a beer can take one. It was like, it was for both of us. I'm promoting my shitters.

SPEAKER_00: 17:12

That's smart, yeah. You know what? Next time, just leave them in our booth and we'll give them out. We'll just tell everyone, you know, that your beer was opened by Paul Assema. Rat shit with P.

SPEAKER_02: 17:23

So uh I'm curious, how did you get to be part of Mopod? Like, I want to know your meet cue story with Joe and Mike.

SPEAKER_00: 17:34

So where do I start? So before I got involved in Mopod, I was working um for at tech company in New York, and uh Mike was doing something solving for them. So Mike and I met there, we only worked with each other for about three months. Um yeah, we got along well, we're on the same team. He left, I ended up leaving a little while after, and we kind of kept in touch, and then he said, Hey, I'm gonna start this new thing, John be involved. Uh at the time I didn't think much of it, you know. I didn't really obviously know that it was gonna become what it did. But I was like, Yeah, sure. Like I was actually traveling around South America at the time and uh I had bandwidth to do a bit of work. So in the early days, you know, we were just Mo Media, we weren't Mopod, and we're just essentially brokering real estate, uh ad real estate, like you know, sp placements for advertisers wherever we could get them. It was very very general. We didn't have much of a niche um until we came across newsletters, but before that, you know, I was just making introductions for Mike and Joe with advertisers I had worked at previous uh worked for previously. And uh from there, we kind of uncovered this niche in the newsletter space. Um we found that we had you know access to certain places that were really effective for driving growth in newsletters like you know, Morning Brew and the hustle with some of our early clients. And when I saw that we actually had kind of stumbled across something like you know a little bit more uh tangible and that we can really build business around, you know, Mike, Joe, and I had a chat and they they talked about kind of bringing me on as a partner and uh and getting me more involved in the business. Um, and then you know, we we came to an agreement. I you know went full time with Mo and all in and never looked back. Uh about a year after that, during COVID, we came across a podcasting opportunity, which I, by the way, will take full credit for. I have found podcasting, convince the other guys to get into it. Um they have uh podcasts and you don't. Yeah, I mean I had a podcast for all of like five minutes.

unknown: 19:35

Five minutes.

SPEAKER_00: 19:37

We got three episodes out. What was it called? It's called the Nomadic C-suite, and it was actually about like remote work um at the executive level.

SPEAKER_02: 19:45

Is this still around? Or did you take it down?

SPEAKER_00: 19:48

It hasn't been taken down, but like again, there are three episodes that were released maybe like two years ago. Um it was very hard to kind of orchestrate though, because like the host of me, Mike, another guy called Ethan. Ethan was in Costa Rica, I was in Bermuda, and then Mike was in Japan. Honestly, orchestrating like recording across three time zones was a complete disaster. So it didn't really get legs, but it was a fun experiment. I should do a podcast host just so I can like you know keep up to date with the challenges that the podcast has had.

SPEAKER_02: 20:17

Exactly. That way you can't tell me why you're ending shit, because you don't you don't know the struggles of this shit. So get into it.

SPEAKER_00: 20:24

I do have a struggle. I could have done for more than three episodes. I have the greatest respect for you and your podcasting brothers and sisters.

SPEAKER_02: 20:30

But it's funny you talk about the time difference because I remember when I had Joe and Mike together on my shirt. Yeah. Joe was in Japan, right? And then Mike was a drink. I mean, sorry, Mike, and then me and Joe. So it was late evening to us, and it was early morning to work. And we're like, but you gotta drink because how are we on talking with P and we're not drinking?

SPEAKER_00: 20:52

We're not drinking.

SPEAKER_02: 20:53

Because we are here, I mean, you know. Okay, but that one we were we were doing virtual, it wasn't in person.

SPEAKER_00: 21:00

So that's how you break down those distance barriers, you get everyone drunk and loosen everyone up a little bit.

SPEAKER_02: 21:04

Yeah, and they talk whatever. But I don't think Jo and Mike needs any loosening up.

SPEAKER_00: 21:09

No. In fact, Mike needs tightening up. He can say less. Love you, Mike.

SPEAKER_02: 21:14

We love you, Mike. Um, so before I wrap this up, right? Um I know in your life, with all the amazing stuff you've done in your 34 years, you've had time you've had to pivot, and being a business owner, sometimes some ideas you might really like and you're like, no, but they might not work, and you have to kind of change them or rebrand or all that bulls, right? And for people like me, sometimes we feel like we are failing, right? It's easy to see, like, oh, I have to rebrand, that means that didn't work, so I failed that. Oh, I gotta take a break or stop this, that means I'm failing. But sometimes you just need to in order to grow all because you're no longer in that place. So for a person who is in that state of mind, what advice would you give them?

SPEAKER_00: 21:59

Yeah, I think you can't be discouraged by failure, but you can't also take that advice to the extreme either. Like if something's clearly not working and uh you know that you're not getting any clients, and it feels like you've done everything, there's very little success in it, then like you have to be realistic with yourself. But that doesn't mean you should stop pursuing, you just have to kind of change your approach. Um, when we first got into podcasting, our first product that we built was like a total failure. We didn't know enough about the space to really understand um what really mattered. And you know, but we did get enough promise, like people were interested in because there weren't many like four dance development products at the time. So people would like be like, oh yeah, no, we want to try this out. They weren't like, hey, this doesn't really hit the mark. So, you know, we we weren't stubborn, even though we put like six months into building it, the moment we realized it wasn't meeting market needs, we moved on from it. It was a that was a failure, but we kept pursuing other ways of trying to solve that problem, which ultimately led to success. So I think like looking from having that experience, I think it's just a matter of um just because what you're doing isn't working right now doesn't mean the opportunity isn't there. But being able to distinguish whether you're trying to push shit up a hill and then maybe there's not actually a market there, and then being like, okay, this isn't the idea, I've got to move on or wait till I have you know another vertical to pursue, I think that's important. But i if you know that you have something that's worth pursuing and you constantly get enough validation and people actually like showing interest in what you're doing or the problem you're trying to solve, I think that's really it. If people are interested in them in you solving the problem, um then you just have to look at failure as like, you know, another thing to take off the list that didn't work and just keep going.

SPEAKER_02: 23:34

I love that. And what advice would you give me as a new future business owner?

SPEAKER_00: 23:44

New future business owner. I say celebrate the small wins because you will go through failures. So every time you get a small win, celebrate it. Enjoy it. And um expect the first you know, couple of years to be hard. It's not meant to be easy. And I think one thing I really learned from like Mike, who's like this always, this radiating beam of uh positivity, is there are a lot of times I think in the first like year or two where I think if I was going at it alone, I might have been like, oh, this this isn't working, fuck this shit. But he was always like blindly optimistic, and I think that's really important. You have to be like, yeah, like okay, this last six months has been hard. The next six months might be hard, but eventually we'll get to the point of success.

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All right. Well, thank you so much. Let the people know where they can find you.

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Thanks, Paula.

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